Sniper v Spray

What are you out of your mind long ranged rifles are more popular than they have ever been and yes i have fired many long ranged rifles its not as hard as you think the military has whole sections for snipers they are some of the most useful soldiers in the military.lawl

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:What are you out of your mind long ranged rifles are more popular than they have ever been and yes i have fired many long ranged rifles its not as hard as you think the military has whole sections for snipers they are some of the most useful soldiers in the military.lawl

Dude look at Iraq most firefights are barely at the 50 metre mark what the hell is a point of a .50 cal sniper rifle. Also it takes more then one shot to kill in CQC with sniper plus its rate of fire and the length of the weapon make it. Less then ideal for CQC combat. The only high caliber gun useful would be a Machine gun.

Have you ever fired a sniper or long ranged rifle If you had you would know that they can kill you bye shooting you in the leg and not a slow death a quick 1 ANYWAY snipers in the field take out key targets like heavy machine guns and people on higher ground they are essential in a battle ground.

When their not pinned, and their not snipers there marksman or. Designated Marksman who uses the SAM-R or a semi automatic medium range rifle. Long range rifles are going to be phased out.

I dont know were your getting your info from but there not being phased out they are as useful as ever because many iraq soldiers are using gurilla warfare and snipers are used to scout areas take out key targets or are used to protect areas my point being is that they are very popular in the australian military and useful.

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:I dont know were your getting your info from but there not being phased out they are as useful as ever because many iraq soldiers are using gurilla warfare and snipers are used to scout areas take out key targets or are used to protect areas my point being is that they are very popular in the australian military and useful.

Please note that Guerrilla warfare is conducted in urban areas (mostly). Their usefulness will come to an end. Australia is like flat all-rounder but in a real warzone with buildings and such. Do you seroiusly think you will able to find a target with that M24 when they have automatic weapons and smoking your shithouse cover.

For example a firefight in Melbourne CBD who the fuck would bring a M14 with them. There is no point when normal rifles such as the M4 and M16A4 have at least 900-1000 metres range, more then they would need in realistic situations. The only position would be an elevated one where you could actually see, but you would be like white kid in a black meeting. They would counter you easily.

Snipers can only have a physiological affect their actual usefulness is quite low.

huh m16a4 dont have accuracy after 100 metres in urban situations snipers go on the tops of building and they are the most deadly units in that situation because you cant hit them with your shity plastic m16 i would much rather be a sniper than a front line soldier snipers are very useful they flank enemy units better than any other cant be seen .

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:huh m16a4 dont have accuracy after 100 metres in urban situations snipers go on the tops of building and they are the most deadly units in that situation because you cant hit them with your shity plastic m16 i would much rather be a sniper than a front line soldier snipers are very useful they flank enemy units better than any other cant be seen .

What the fuck? how do you read that shit man, makes my eyes bleed. Snipers? dude Snipers are teh shit get your facts right. Snipers are usually one to two-man teams who go out alone and take out individual high priority targets. Look up Force Recon...

Snipers are almost never used in urban situations. However the (Squad) Designated Marksman who carries a medium range semi automatic rifle. Can be used for medium to long range situations, if there are any. The M16A4 deals more hurt then the M4A1.

They can flank? but what other then shoot a couple of guys with their shitty 1 shot per 5-10 seconds. They can only cause a psychological effect, their actual combat effectiveness is LOW.

Why are you so infatuated with Snipers? They're the most overatted pieces of shits in the military. Wow rooftop situations, wait lemme get my M24, then jump out of my cover, then aim, then fire, then check if I hit , if not, Repeat.

Realistically you'd be dead by step 2. Ever heard of something called the M203? or Helicopters possibly you may of heard of something called A GRENADE.

If you can get a grenade up a 20 story building i will give you $50 they are way to heavy ANYWAY Snipers are awsome they take out key targets e.g field commanders ,sqaud leaders ,heavy machine gunners,soldiers under cover,mortor teams,radio,and many other units that soldiers on the ground cant see or cant hit they provide covering fire for ground units and your wrong assault rifles only have accuracy of about 100m if that they are not made to shoot up at people on higher ground.

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:If you can get a grenade up a 20 story building i will give you $50 they are way to heavy ANYWAY Snipers are awsome they take out key targets e.g field commanders ,sqaud leaders ,heavy machine gunners,soldiers under cover,mortor teams,radio,and many other units that soldiers on the ground cant see or cant hit they provide covering fire for ground units and your wrong assault rifles only have accuracy of about 100m if that they are not made to shoot up at people on higher ground.

Nice work idiot, you do that with a grenade. The only type of anti-material sniper rifle is too heavy to use in a firefight.

Wikipedia wrote:
The M203 has an effective range of 160 yd (150 m)
and maximum range of 400m

A twenty story building is too high for actual effectiveness. But anyway there would only be at max 5-10 20 story + buildings in an average city. And the windows dont move out, its possible to smash but the entire area is made up of windows. Nice cover..

Wikipedia wrote: Maximum effective range of M16A2 Effective range 550 m (600 yd)

The actual effectiveness of a sniper in urban firefight- LOW to EXTREMELY LOW. As I said before their shitty bolt action rifles have nothing against an automatic assualt rifle (M4A1).A snipers ability to kill targets largely remains on his concealment. Meaning he has to change positions every few shots to reduce the threat of being caught. Which reduces his effectiveness.

To explain the fact that snipers arn't awesome. If they were wouldn't alot of the army be trained in sniper tactics? wouldnt they all have long range rifles. The only effective long range position would be the Designated Marksman. "The Designated Marksman has the ability to provide fast and accurate shots on enemy positions". And altogether that's one person in a squad of 8-10. At least 2 of them would M203s and all of them would have grenades.

Snipers are just another part of the Army there not some great uber chuck norris legend. If you say that then a Airforce pilot owns snipers.

Untrue snipers are regular soldiers first then they train to be a sniper so when pinned they can fight like a ground soldier ALSO wikipedia doesnt know shit about anything wikipedia can be written by any1 and an assult rifle (which is a gun i have fired) are not accurate Why because there rate of fire is to high to hit anything over 100m and they are made of plastic snipers are of chuck norris or Mr t legend it is so hard to be a sniper and yet they are able to kill people for 500+m away i think you under estimate how hard it is to see a sniper my dads got a camo suit a sniper 1 in grass you cant see them at all with a flash gaurd at night they are invisable and if they are on top of a building with a flash gaurd at night you have no chance against them.

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:Untrue snipers are regular soldiers first then they train to be a sniper so when pinned they can fight like a ground soldier ALSO wikipedia doesnt know shit about anything wikipedia can be written by any1 and an assult rifle (which is a gun i have fired) are not accurate Why because there rate of fire is to high to hit anything over 100m and they are made of plastic snipers are of chuck norris or Mr t legend it is so hard to be a sniper and yet they are able to kill people for 500+m away i think you under estimate how hard it is to see a sniper my dads got a camo suit a sniper 1 in grass you cant see them at all with a flash gaurd at night they are invisable and if they are on top of a building with a flash gaurd at night you have no chance against them.

Please note that there is something called Sniper School.

US Military wrote:Point target: 1,804.5 feet (550 meters) for M16A4

Ever heard of something called "Semi-Automatic" thats the fire rate all Coalition Soldiers have inside Urban Areas. Oh I think you mean the standard camo ALL UNITS wear. Unless you got the ghilli suit which sucks for mobility. Maybe you must of heard of something called Technology oh and something called "Night Vision" and also "Laser painting". Dude the m16A4 is made of composite materials. Also a sniper has something called A 'Sniper's Rifle" which is designed for Long range accuracy and penetration. Such things like rate of fire and jamming are not taken into consideration. Snipers are not of any kind of legend, the Medal of Honor is though. If your saying that snipers can kill people 500m away what about Air Force pilots, they kill people KILOMETRES away.

US Military wrote:Point target: 492.15 feet (150 meters) for M203

Please have sense and realism. Snipers wouldn't get pinned because they would be killed the moment they got sniffed out, they rely on stealth and well thats it. The fact that Snipers are the most overatted pieces of shits, means they get to miss on all the dying isnt that great? I'm sure your helping

Anything you say to respond to this will just be repeating yourself or to clarify anything I said.

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lol you sound just like my sister not that she has an opinion on the subject but the fact that you think your right snipers are of legend status if you had ever fired a rifle you would know y ITS HARD, snipers dont just rely on stealth they use there SKILLS to kill enemies that ground soldiers cant hit thus if the ground soldier cant hit them they are not going to die in cqc they rarely use air support that is were a sniper comes in.

THE_MUFFIN_MAN wrote:lol you sound just like my sister not that she has an opinion on the subject but the fact that you think your right snipers are of legend status if you had ever fired a rifle you would know y ITS HARD, snipers dont just rely on stealth they use there SKILLS to kill enemies that ground soldiers cant hit thus if the ground soldier cant hit them they are not going to die in cqc they rarely use air support that is were a sniper comes in.

Wow bullshit Airforce owns Snipers. Snipers are just trained in a way to be able to. THey can't do that BEFORE sniper school can you?

sniper training isnt easy it is one of the hardest and most skilled section in the military and no i cant do most of the things real snipers can do because they are trained for years i just shoot for fun .the airforce has nothing to do with sniping they are totally different so you cant compare the two.